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		<title>Comment on A Call To Missioinal Worship by Doug Doyle</title>
		<link>http://missionalcanadian.com/2012/02/07/a-call-to-missioinal-worship/#comment-590</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Doyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Barbara. Thanks for your passionate response, even though we do not agree for the most part. If you are at all open to further reading on this in order to perhaps better appreciate a viewpoint in contrast to yours,  you might look at Sally Morgenthaller&#039;S classic on the issue &quot;Worship Evangelism.&quot; From Liberty University &amp; Seminary David Wheeler and Vernon Whalley have more recently written about this in their book &quot;The Great Commission to Worship: Biblical Principles for Worship-Based Evangelism.&quot;  A little over ten years ago I heard some messages by Tim Keller of Redeemer Presbyterian that affirmed the themes of both these books and really helped me take a second look at what was happening in the book of Acts. It was Keller&#039;s exposition of I Corinthians 14 within overall flow of Paul&#039;s teaching as well as his passion for mission to those outside of Judaism, that first got me thinking about the broad principle Paul was dealing with beyond just the issue of tongues. These three represent three different streams in the evangelical tradition, and all see a much messier yet God ordained mix of worship together with evangelism than you do, that worship can be evangelism. Thanks for your response and allowing me to point you some folk who are passionately committed to authority of God&#039;s Word as they see God&#039;s embracing the both/and of worship-evangleism. God bless as you continue your reading and pondering of the topic of worship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barbara. Thanks for your passionate response, even though we do not agree for the most part. If you are at all open to further reading on this in order to perhaps better appreciate a viewpoint in contrast to yours,  you might look at Sally Morgenthaller&#8217;S classic on the issue &#8220;Worship Evangelism.&#8221; From Liberty University &amp; Seminary David Wheeler and Vernon Whalley have more recently written about this in their book &#8220;The Great Commission to Worship: Biblical Principles for Worship-Based Evangelism.&#8221;  A little over ten years ago I heard some messages by Tim Keller of Redeemer Presbyterian that affirmed the themes of both these books and really helped me take a second look at what was happening in the book of Acts. It was Keller&#8217;s exposition of I Corinthians 14 within overall flow of Paul&#8217;s teaching as well as his passion for mission to those outside of Judaism, that first got me thinking about the broad principle Paul was dealing with beyond just the issue of tongues. These three represent three different streams in the evangelical tradition, and all see a much messier yet God ordained mix of worship together with evangelism than you do, that worship can be evangelism. Thanks for your response and allowing me to point you some folk who are passionately committed to authority of God&#8217;s Word as they see God&#8217;s embracing the both/and of worship-evangleism. God bless as you continue your reading and pondering of the topic of worship.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Call To Missioinal Worship by Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having been doing some reading on the topic of worship I found this post interesting although I do not agree with some points you make.

If we look at the church consisting of the body of believers,  we are told in Acts that the  early church met for four reasons.  They were for teaching doctrine; for fellowship, that is encouraging each other in the Word and holy living; for the Lord’s Table; for prayer.   The example from Acts shows us that the meetings/worship service of the church is a place where believers are “refuelled” so to speak and then as “missional Christians” they go out into the world to share with the non-believer.  When the non-believer is saved he is then added to the church body by the Lord.  That is how the church is “the one institution that exists for the benefit of those who are not yet a part of our community.”

In the example you gave of  1 Corinthians 14 I do not agree that Paul is calling believers to “adapt its worship because of the presence of unbelievers.”   Paul would be giving the same instructions whether there were unbelievers present or not.  However, I do see teaching on the proper conduct in the worship service.  Paul refers to the fact that the Corinthians were carrying about in a manner that did not reflect the character and nature of God.  Rather than displaying peace and harmony, order and clarity, they were instilling strife and confusion because of their actions.   Paul specifically instructs on the use of tongues and emphasizes the importance of prophecy over all.   The Corinthian believers were misusing tongues and Paul corrected them.  To try and adapt this teaching to the general worship of the body of believers, saying that their worship should be adapted to suit the unbeliever, I truly feel is stretching things and does a disservice to this portion of Scripture and the overall conduct of the church.  

Personally, I do not feel that we can “design our worship experiences to be inclusive and welcoming of both believers and unbelievers…”  For one thing, true worship cannot be designed - it flows from the heart as an offering to God.  It acknowledges God as He has revealed Himself in His Word and that makes exposition of that Word all important, helping the believer to better know the One whom he is worshipping.  That is worshipping “in spirit and in truth.”  To plan a service to include both involves a compromise and both sides will suffer in the long run. 

When we come down to the issue of music in the worship service I do not see where the musical listening habits of the unsaved public should come into play.  Colossians 3:16 tells us “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”  Here Paul is calling for variety that cannot be contained in one particular musical form.  But he is also calling for music that “teaches” and “admonishes” one another in those various forms.  Content then is the all important goal of any type of music used whether it is an old hymn of the faith or a more contemporary piece.  Does the music have substance and not just aim at an emotional response?  Just like preaching, music should be part of the ministry of the Word.  

The Psalmist prayed “let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, O Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer (Psalm 19:14).  The primary questions to be asked of our worship service should be “is this worship acceptable to God, totally for Him” and “does this strengthen the believer in his faith.”  If believers are authentically worshipping God as they should, the unsaved will be attracted, not because the believers reflect modern musical styles but because they have something of substance to offer.  We turn many things into idols, the worship service being one of them, but we need to remember that everything we do should be for God and not the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been doing some reading on the topic of worship I found this post interesting although I do not agree with some points you make.</p>
<p>If we look at the church consisting of the body of believers,  we are told in Acts that the  early church met for four reasons.  They were for teaching doctrine; for fellowship, that is encouraging each other in the Word and holy living; for the Lord’s Table; for prayer.   The example from Acts shows us that the meetings/worship service of the church is a place where believers are “refuelled” so to speak and then as “missional Christians” they go out into the world to share with the non-believer.  When the non-believer is saved he is then added to the church body by the Lord.  That is how the church is “the one institution that exists for the benefit of those who are not yet a part of our community.”</p>
<p>In the example you gave of  1 Corinthians 14 I do not agree that Paul is calling believers to “adapt its worship because of the presence of unbelievers.”   Paul would be giving the same instructions whether there were unbelievers present or not.  However, I do see teaching on the proper conduct in the worship service.  Paul refers to the fact that the Corinthians were carrying about in a manner that did not reflect the character and nature of God.  Rather than displaying peace and harmony, order and clarity, they were instilling strife and confusion because of their actions.   Paul specifically instructs on the use of tongues and emphasizes the importance of prophecy over all.   The Corinthian believers were misusing tongues and Paul corrected them.  To try and adapt this teaching to the general worship of the body of believers, saying that their worship should be adapted to suit the unbeliever, I truly feel is stretching things and does a disservice to this portion of Scripture and the overall conduct of the church.  </p>
<p>Personally, I do not feel that we can “design our worship experiences to be inclusive and welcoming of both believers and unbelievers…”  For one thing, true worship cannot be designed &#8211; it flows from the heart as an offering to God.  It acknowledges God as He has revealed Himself in His Word and that makes exposition of that Word all important, helping the believer to better know the One whom he is worshipping.  That is worshipping “in spirit and in truth.”  To plan a service to include both involves a compromise and both sides will suffer in the long run. </p>
<p>When we come down to the issue of music in the worship service I do not see where the musical listening habits of the unsaved public should come into play.  Colossians 3:16 tells us “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”  Here Paul is calling for variety that cannot be contained in one particular musical form.  But he is also calling for music that “teaches” and “admonishes” one another in those various forms.  Content then is the all important goal of any type of music used whether it is an old hymn of the faith or a more contemporary piece.  Does the music have substance and not just aim at an emotional response?  Just like preaching, music should be part of the ministry of the Word.  </p>
<p>The Psalmist prayed “let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, O Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer (Psalm 19:14).  The primary questions to be asked of our worship service should be “is this worship acceptable to God, totally for Him” and “does this strengthen the believer in his faith.”  If believers are authentically worshipping God as they should, the unsaved will be attracted, not because the believers reflect modern musical styles but because they have something of substance to offer.  We turn many things into idols, the worship service being one of them, but we need to remember that everything we do should be for God and not the world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Easter Weekend: Saying Good-Bye to Redwood &amp; Tbay!! by shanni valley</title>
		<link>http://missionalcanadian.com/2012/04/08/easter-weekend-saying-good-bye-to-tbay-and-hello-to-fort-mac/#comment-587</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shanni valley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good day doug and family

was so great to see you both yesturday , i am so excited for and jane , you have been a blessing to our famiy and many others here in thunder bay and beyond , thank God for you and yours 

love the valleys]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good day doug and family</p>
<p>was so great to see you both yesturday , i am so excited for and jane , you have been a blessing to our famiy and many others here in thunder bay and beyond , thank God for you and yours </p>
<p>love the valleys</p>
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		<title>Comment on Easter Weekend: Saying Good-Bye to Redwood &amp; Tbay!! by Lisa Laco</title>
		<link>http://missionalcanadian.com/2012/04/08/easter-weekend-saying-good-bye-to-tbay-and-hello-to-fort-mac/#comment-586</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Laco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 18:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doud, I wish I had seen you yesterday at the auditorium.  I  couldn&#039;t help but be struck that ALL of those amazing people on stage were people you nurtured. (including one very handsome guitar player)  People you recognized had a gift of leadership and you allowed them to step up to that challenge.  Young folks who wanted to know God and you guided them along the way.  You allowed Redwood to grow, perhaps beyond your comfort zone sometimes.. Into a Church that is young, vibrant, exciting, welcoming, energetic, life changing church.  WhAt an amazing legacy!  We have been blessed to have you at the helm. Fort McMurray,prepare to be shaken to your core, and God Speed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doud, I wish I had seen you yesterday at the auditorium.  I  couldn&#8217;t help but be struck that ALL of those amazing people on stage were people you nurtured. (including one very handsome guitar player)  People you recognized had a gift of leadership and you allowed them to step up to that challenge.  Young folks who wanted to know God and you guided them along the way.  You allowed Redwood to grow, perhaps beyond your comfort zone sometimes.. Into a Church that is young, vibrant, exciting, welcoming, energetic, life changing church.  WhAt an amazing legacy!  We have been blessed to have you at the helm. Fort McMurray,prepare to be shaken to your core, and God Speed!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What A God!!! What A Ride!!! Fort Mac Here We Come!!! by Lucas Welsh</title>
		<link>http://missionalcanadian.com/2012/03/31/what-a-god-what-a-ride-fort-mac-here-we-come/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Welsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 18:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking forward to you coming up here Doug.  I&#039;ve got a nice Cohiba with your name on it...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to you coming up here Doug.  I&#8217;ve got a nice Cohiba with your name on it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on What A God!!! What A Ride!!! Fort Mac Here We Come!!! by Lin Harvie</title>
		<link>http://missionalcanadian.com/2012/03/31/what-a-god-what-a-ride-fort-mac-here-we-come/#comment-581</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lin Harvie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, what a move.   Well you know what the cold and snow is all about living in Thunder Bay.  What an opportunity for both you Jane to share God&#039;s love in that community.  I know some people who have recently moved there and love the community atmosphere.  If you are ever in Calgary visiting your daughter give us a call.  Blessings on both you and Jane.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a move.   Well you know what the cold and snow is all about living in Thunder Bay.  What an opportunity for both you Jane to share God&#8217;s love in that community.  I know some people who have recently moved there and love the community atmosphere.  If you are ever in Calgary visiting your daughter give us a call.  Blessings on both you and Jane.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reprocessing Anger Into Grace by Roger</title>
		<link>http://missionalcanadian.com/2012/04/03/processing-anger-into-grace/#comment-580</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good Stuff. This morning I read another blog that had these wise words: ‎&quot;Forgiveness is a unilateral process where we can truly take our foot off the throat of those we consider to have wronged us. Forgiveness does not exonerate the betrayer; it frees the victim from the ongoing pain of the other’s actions and opens the opportunity for us to find healing inside and the freedom to move on with what God has for us.&quot; (Wayne Jacobsen)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Stuff. This morning I read another blog that had these wise words: ‎&#8221;Forgiveness is a unilateral process where we can truly take our foot off the throat of those we consider to have wronged us. Forgiveness does not exonerate the betrayer; it frees the victim from the ongoing pain of the other’s actions and opens the opportunity for us to find healing inside and the freedom to move on with what God has for us.&#8221; (Wayne Jacobsen)</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Journey to MDiv Lead at Briercrest Seminary by Dustin Resch</title>
		<link>http://missionalcanadian.com/2012/04/02/the-journey-to-mdiv-lead-at-briercrest-seminary/#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dustin Resch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 21:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome to the team, Doug! We are so excited about how this situation has unfolded! I think that we are on the threshold of a new season for the relationship between the church and the academy. I look forward to working with you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the team, Doug! We are so excited about how this situation has unfolded! I think that we are on the threshold of a new season for the relationship between the church and the academy. I look forward to working with you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Journey to MDiv Lead at Briercrest Seminary by nini58</title>
		<link>http://missionalcanadian.com/2012/04/02/the-journey-to-mdiv-lead-at-briercrest-seminary/#comment-576</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nini58]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not only is this wonderful for you and your family Doug, but it is wonderful to read/know that SOMEONE understands how God can bring you to something so unique for an individual, that only HE is able to orchestrate something so Divine! It is wonderful knowing you will be a mentor to future leaders! It is inspiring that you are both seeking/walking His Will!!
Happy Kingdom building!!! God Bless!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only is this wonderful for you and your family Doug, but it is wonderful to read/know that SOMEONE understands how God can bring you to something so unique for an individual, that only HE is able to orchestrate something so Divine! It is wonderful knowing you will be a mentor to future leaders! It is inspiring that you are both seeking/walking His Will!!<br />
Happy Kingdom building!!! God Bless!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What A God!!! What A Ride!!! Fort Mac Here We Come!!! by Ross &#38; Bev Johnston</title>
		<link>http://missionalcanadian.com/2012/03/31/what-a-god-what-a-ride-fort-mac-here-we-come/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross &#38; Bev Johnston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congratulations Doug and Jane! You have been in our thoughts and prayers over these past months. We knew that God would open doors! Having lived in Alberta for 9 years ourselves prior to moving to BC, we know that you will enjoy that province! It is very unique! (No provincial sales tax too!). Blessings to you as you continue on your ministry journey!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations Doug and Jane! You have been in our thoughts and prayers over these past months. We knew that God would open doors! Having lived in Alberta for 9 years ourselves prior to moving to BC, we know that you will enjoy that province! It is very unique! (No provincial sales tax too!). Blessings to you as you continue on your ministry journey!</p>
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